Ray Edwards has a fascinating argument for Paul's "thorn in the flesh" being not a health problem or besetting sin, but persecution. I'll have to dig into the verses he shares in this episode: Listening to Spiritual Foundations Podcast (When You Feel Like Giving Up [#003]) When you feel like giving up, there is a way to have faith -- even in the toughest times You're often closest to your big breakthrough right when you feel like giving up. God provides a way for us to have joy and peace, even when we face real trouble. Every believer can overcome trials if they will follow the example of the Apostle Paul, and his very explicit instructions. In this podcast, I explain what the Apostle Paul has to teach us today. So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. Romans 10:17 How Has God given you peace and joy, even in the midst of trouble?